Comments on: Warriors… come out and plaaaay - but don’t bring your haka http://with-malice.com/2007/09/12/warriors-come-out-and-plaaaay-but-dont-bring-your-haka/ The NBA, and the mad ramblings of a sports-mad guy living in Japan... Sat, 22 Nov 2008 20:40:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU hourly 1 By: withmalice http://with-malice.com/2007/09/12/warriors-come-out-and-plaaaay-but-dont-bring-your-haka/#comment-9438 withmalice Wed, 06 Feb 2008 08:29:46 +0000 http://with-malice.com/2007/09/12/warriors-come-out-and-plaaaay-but-dont-bring-your-haka/#comment-9438 Ummm... nope. No players on the UH roster are from New Zealand. The 'Haka' is a maori cultural activity, not a 'polynesian' thing. Period. Making excuses for why UH do the haka is simply an apologist argument. Ummm… nope. No players on the UH roster are from New Zealand.
The ‘Haka’ is a maori cultural activity, not a ‘polynesian’ thing. Period. Making excuses for why UH do the haka is simply an apologist argument.

]]> By: dom http://with-malice.com/2007/09/12/warriors-come-out-and-plaaaay-but-dont-bring-your-haka/#comment-9437 dom Wed, 06 Feb 2008 08:26:06 +0000 http://with-malice.com/2007/09/12/warriors-come-out-and-plaaaay-but-dont-bring-your-haka/#comment-9437 FYI--there may be some players that came from New Zealand. plus basically the whole mission for Jones was to bring more players from the islands (including ALL Pacific isles) into UH. New Zealand is one of the anchors of the Polynesian triangle. ALSO for a fact Hawaii is a melting pot with a blending of cultures, not only Hawaiian, Polynesian, Micronesian, Asian, American, Mexican, and on and on. The set "culture" is just local style where everyone is family or everything is blended. but in another perspective, all the polynesian cultures are all linked together, heck some of the early Hawaiians might have even come from New Zealand, who knows take Pacific Islands 101. FYI–there may be some players that came from New Zealand. plus basically the whole mission for Jones was to bring more players from the islands (including ALL Pacific isles) into UH. New Zealand is one of the anchors of the Polynesian triangle. ALSO for a fact Hawaii is a melting pot with a blending of cultures, not only Hawaiian, Polynesian, Micronesian, Asian, American, Mexican, and on and on. The set “culture” is just local style where everyone is family or everything is blended. but in another perspective, all the polynesian cultures are all linked together, heck some of the early Hawaiians might have even come from New Zealand, who knows take Pacific Islands 101.

]]> By: Kiwi http://with-malice.com/2007/09/12/warriors-come-out-and-plaaaay-but-dont-bring-your-haka/#comment-3719 Kiwi Sun, 07 Oct 2007 21:47:27 +0000 http://with-malice.com/2007/09/12/warriors-come-out-and-plaaaay-but-dont-bring-your-haka/#comment-3719 Wow check me out, wrong forum . . oops Wow check me out, wrong forum . . oops

]]> By: Kiwi http://with-malice.com/2007/09/12/warriors-come-out-and-plaaaay-but-dont-bring-your-haka/#comment-3718 Kiwi Sun, 07 Oct 2007 21:41:19 +0000 http://with-malice.com/2007/09/12/warriors-come-out-and-plaaaay-but-dont-bring-your-haka/#comment-3718 Well ok the result for the World Cup was so not what the All Black's are destined for, but unfortunately they just can't seem to get this one Cup in the cabinet. I know how disappointed and most likely stunned they were to lose yesterday, but seriously a little humility seems to come their way when they take it for granted that they are going to win. Fiji showed the world how to lose gracefully today. They thanked everyone, including France for hosting and took the time to honor their supporters in the crowd rather than running off the field and hiding. Admittedly Fiji had nothing to be ashamed of today, they played their best today and gave it their all . . but still, the Wallabies shooing cameras, the All Black's running off the field . . come on guys, you want to be the best in the world, act like it on and off the field. 25,000 supporters in the crowd to cheer you on, and you run off the field - would it have been so hard to acknowledge the fans who were't paid to be there, who in fact paid a lot of money to suuport their country? It's only human to be disapppointed especially when the All Blacks can playso much better that the display we got yesterday . . but still, anything to acknowledge the supporters in the crowd who keep coming back, hoping that this year will be the year for the Kiwi's would have been better than running off the field. At least that's what I saw internationally from the US on the live feed. Maybe we didnt' see all, but what we saw was an embarassing display. Hopefully 2011 will bring the team the Cup at long last after all these years. . . Well ok the result for the World Cup was so not what the All Black’s are destined for, but unfortunately they just can’t seem to get this one Cup in the cabinet.
I know how disappointed and most likely stunned they were to lose yesterday, but seriously a little humility seems to come their way when they take it for granted that they are going to win.
Fiji showed the world how to lose gracefully today. They thanked everyone, including France for hosting and took the time to honor their supporters in the crowd rather than running off the field and hiding.
Admittedly Fiji had nothing to be ashamed of today, they played their best today and gave it their all . . but still, the Wallabies shooing cameras, the All Black’s running off the field . . come on guys, you want to be the best in the world, act like it on and off the field. 25,000 supporters in the crowd to cheer you on, and you run off the field - would it have been so hard to acknowledge the fans who were’t paid to be there, who in fact paid a lot of money to suuport their country? It’s only human to be disapppointed especially when the All Blacks can playso much better that the display we got yesterday . . but still, anything to acknowledge the supporters in the crowd who keep coming back, hoping that this year will be the year for the Kiwi’s would have been better than running off the field. At least that’s what I saw internationally from the US on the live feed. Maybe we didnt’ see all, but what we saw was an embarassing display.
Hopefully 2011 will bring the team the Cup at long last after all these years. . .

]]> By: WithMalice http://with-malice.com/2007/09/12/warriors-come-out-and-plaaaay-but-dont-bring-your-haka/#comment-3424 WithMalice Mon, 01 Oct 2007 23:48:16 +0000 http://with-malice.com/2007/09/12/warriors-come-out-and-plaaaay-but-dont-bring-your-haka/#comment-3424 Agreed on that. Kapa o Pango simply... lacks. The Ka Mate has an aeon of tradition behind it - I'm always much more impressed when the ABs line up, and begin that rather than the Kapa. Agreed on that. Kapa o Pango simply… lacks.
The Ka Mate has an aeon of tradition behind it - I’m always much more impressed when the ABs line up, and begin that rather than the Kapa.

]]> By: Kiwi http://with-malice.com/2007/09/12/warriors-come-out-and-plaaaay-but-dont-bring-your-haka/#comment-3423 Kiwi Mon, 01 Oct 2007 23:41:49 +0000 http://with-malice.com/2007/09/12/warriors-come-out-and-plaaaay-but-dont-bring-your-haka/#comment-3423 The first time I saw the haka from another country I felt an amazing sense of pride that I hadn't ever really experienced whilst living in NZ. Maybe I'm too traditinal or maybe I haven't been living in New zealand for a little too long, but I saw kapa o panga for the frist time in a IRB game last week and was outraged . . some things are just tradition, there is a sense of pride behind the Ka Mate that kapa o panga simply does not have. Sad really . . and I love the All Blacks, just this is such a disappointing change. Living in the US I don't get to see all that much Rugby that they play so it's a treat at the moment . . if only they would stick to ka Mate!!! The first time I saw the haka from another country I felt an amazing sense of pride that I hadn’t ever really experienced whilst living in NZ.
Maybe I’m too traditinal or maybe I haven’t been living in New zealand for a little too long, but I saw kapa o panga for the frist time in a IRB game last week and was outraged . . some things are just tradition, there is a sense of pride behind the Ka Mate that kapa o panga simply does not have. Sad really . . and I love the All Blacks, just this is such a disappointing change. Living in the US I don’t get to see all that much Rugby that they play so it’s a treat at the moment . . if only they would stick to ka Mate!!!

]]> By: Attezz http://with-malice.com/2007/09/12/warriors-come-out-and-plaaaay-but-dont-bring-your-haka/#comment-2671 Attezz Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:50:30 +0000 http://with-malice.com/2007/09/12/warriors-come-out-and-plaaaay-but-dont-bring-your-haka/#comment-2671 Forgive my ignorance then, did they include the throat slitting gesture at the end of both? For some reason I don't recall that. Forgive my ignorance then, did they include the throat slitting gesture at the end of both? For some reason I don’t recall that.

]]> By: WithMalice http://with-malice.com/2007/09/12/warriors-come-out-and-plaaaay-but-dont-bring-your-haka/#comment-2649 WithMalice Thu, 13 Sep 2007 04:52:50 +0000 http://with-malice.com/2007/09/12/warriors-come-out-and-plaaaay-but-dont-bring-your-haka/#comment-2649 Actually... the ABs often use the Kapa o Pango - both times against Australia in the Tri-Nations/Bledisloe this year (if memory serves)... Actually… the ABs often use the Kapa o Pango - both times against Australia in the Tri-Nations/Bledisloe this year (if memory serves)…

]]> By: Attezz http://with-malice.com/2007/09/12/warriors-come-out-and-plaaaay-but-dont-bring-your-haka/#comment-2647 Attezz Thu, 13 Sep 2007 03:28:42 +0000 http://with-malice.com/2007/09/12/warriors-come-out-and-plaaaay-but-dont-bring-your-haka/#comment-2647 I absolutely love the Kapa o Panga, it's too bad the All Blacks have (to my knowledge) just used it that once though. Although I imagine they'll bring it back out next test versus Italia. Well stated article though, the Haka is an amazing, century old piece and while I enjoyed the fact that Hawaii was using it, I had the same awful feeling as you when they begin last year, not many Maori out that way. I absolutely love the Kapa o Panga, it’s too bad the All Blacks have (to my knowledge) just used it that once though. Although I imagine they’ll bring it back out next test versus Italia.

Well stated article though, the Haka is an amazing, century old piece and while I enjoyed the fact that Hawaii was using it, I had the same awful feeling as you when they begin last year, not many Maori out that way.

]]> By: Crucifictorious http://with-malice.com/2007/09/12/warriors-come-out-and-plaaaay-but-dont-bring-your-haka/#comment-2638 Crucifictorious Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:08:33 +0000 http://with-malice.com/2007/09/12/warriors-come-out-and-plaaaay-but-dont-bring-your-haka/#comment-2638 Good post. My high school track team had a similar pre-game ritual--well, there was less screaming and dancing, but it got the crowd fired up and left opponents intimidated and wide-eyed. I'm convinced we'd have won 50% fewer meets if some school had whined their way to the state authorities. Good post. My high school track team had a similar pre-game ritual–well, there was less screaming and dancing, but it got the crowd fired up and left opponents intimidated and wide-eyed. I’m convinced we’d have won 50% fewer meets if some school had whined their way to the state authorities.

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