Are you happy to see me, or is that a gun in your pocket? E-mail
Written by Don   
Thursday, 14 January 2010 01:59
gilbert-arenasI'm quite sure that neither Gilbert Arenas nor Javaris Crittenton fully understood the Pandora's box they were opening when they had their altercation.  An altercation that in some way, shape or form included guns.
In all likelihood, they're beginning to get it now.
But the real question is, are the rest of us aware of what this means... what this reflects?

In discussing this with a friend, he pointed me to piece he'd read by columnist Leonard Pitts, Jr. - titled Listen up, NBA players: Guns are not funny.  One part of the piece really, really struck a chord with me.
"And yet...it is difficult to think of these two guys whipping out guns like something out of Dodge City and not see shadows of all the other men of the same heritage and age group who once were here but now are gone because they regarded guns in the same profoundly unserious manner. Because they saw them not as tools of hunting or self-defense but, rather, as toys -- as argument settlers and point makers, as extensions of their personal reproductive gear, as a means of demanding respect.
We have paid the price for that idiotic mindset in funerals. Funerals, an endless string."

There are lots of arguments surrounding both sides of the debate.  Within the HBO piece, Real Sports "Guns & The NFL" (aired on Jan 20th 2009), Adewale Ogunleye of the Chicago Bears stated that he believes Sean Taylor might be alive today if he had a gun, rather than just a machete.  It's possible.  The tragedy may have been averted, or at least have had a different outcome.  It's also possible that if he'd had a gun, the situation may have escalated - and his girlfriend and daughter may have died as well.
Former NFL player Jay Williams during HBO piece stated that he believes athletes carry a gun for self-defense.
"They are carrying guns to protect and defend themselves."
He also states that he took his gun to practice every day, despite NFL rules prohibiting the presence of firearms any where near league facilities (Williams, now retired from the NFL, is the son of a police officer, and now works as a gun dealer.  Many of his clientele are pro-athletes). 

Someone you'd probably think would be "pro-carry" would be Karl Malone.  Malone, an avid hunter, and a spokesman for the NRA, has strong opinions on this... but probably not in the way you'd expect.  In a 2006 piece for ESPN, Malone states his opinion:
"Everybody sticks their chest out now when they have a firearm on them," Malone said, mocking the thought process of the common athlete. "'I come up from the hard part of the streets, the mean streets, and I need my gun and all of that?' Come on, please, enough of that already. We're tired of that."
Malone said he wants athletes to realize the dangerous nature of guns.
"Now why do these guys carry guns? Is that the 'cool' thing to do? Well 'cool' gets you dead!" Malone said.
For athletes who claim they need a gun for protection, Malone has a suggestion: stop hanging out in places of risk.
"Three a.m.? My goodness gracious, what were you doing out at 3 o'clock in the morning? Who were you with? Where were you at? Do you need a gun to protect you or do you need a babysitter to get you where you need to be all the time so that you don't get in any trouble?" Malone said.
Malone said he thinks the problems stem from the people athletes sometimes keep as company, and the places they spend their free time.
"You can enjoy yourself in nice places, but we're talking about gun stuff," he said. "We need to talk more about where we are going, what we are doing, and who we are hanging out with that lead up to these confrontations."
(ESPN's 'Outside the Lines' piece, Athletes & Guns.  Dec 15th 2006)

Karl Malone has also made his thoughts visible on the subject of Gilbert Arenas, most notably in a piece penned for SI.com, and on this ESPN interview with Jim Rome.
Malone touches on an area that's not often explored within these debates.  That at times, it's extremely questionable as to whether the pro athlete is the type of person that actually should be carrying guns. 
We all know the stories, the guys who shouldn't be carrying a sharp pencil, much less a loaded gun.
Guys like Plaxico Burress (self-inflicted gunshot wound, now serving time in jail for weapons charges), Sebastian Telfair (criminal possession of handgun, 3 years probation), Delonte West (facing charges regarding carrying a 9mm pistol, .357 Magnum, and a pump action shotgun - all in a guitar case),  Tank Johnson (served time for possessing illegal weapons, including assault rifles), and of course Jayson Williams (who just the other day plead guilty to an aggravated assault... with a shotgun.  That left Costas "Gus" Christofi dead).

Of course the opposite end of that scale is former NFL player, Marcellus Wiley, who tells his story in the same HBO Real Sports story as Jay Williams (Guns & the NFL).  Wiley grew up in South Central LA, and never owned a gun.  Immediately after being drafted for the NFL though, he purchased one.  But after a while, ownership of a weapon weighed heavily.  Perspectives changed, and Wiley began seeing threats everywhere. But then he began to ask questions of himself.
Would he be ready to pull a gun if confronted?
Could he handle a potential attempted murder charge?
Could he handle a murder charge?
Even if he pulled the gun and didn't use it, could he handle the legal ramifications?
Could he handle it if he pulled the gun on the streets, and the person he pointed the gun at, was coming back?
So when he was with the Buffalo Bills, Wiley decided he no longer wanted to own a gun. As he was driving near Niagara Falls, he felt something bad was going to happen the longer he held possession of the weapon. He threw the gun into the falls and Wiley says he felt a weight lift off his shoulders.
(HBO Real Sports, Guns & the NFL)


In ESPN's 'Outside the Lines' piece, Athletes & Guns, Malone asserts that pulling a gun in a confrontation can often lead to a greater risk.  Often, when someone pulls their gun, other guns appear.  And that's where it all escalates.

Karl Malone spoke of changing attitudes, of education.  That's the problem: many people - and not just pro athletes - lack the proper attitude, and education, to be carrying a weapon.

Guns and pro-sports almost seem synonymous now.  There are no accurate numbers, but on HBO's Real Sports "Guns & The NFL", Jay Williams stated that he believes the number to be up around 85%, or possibly higher (Jabar Gaffney of the Denver Broncos places it at 90% - or higher).  NY Daily News has Devin Harris placing the number in the NBA to be at 75%.  Luke Scott of the Baltimore Orioles puts gun ownership within MLB at 50% or higher.

These numbers have to be worrying for both the leagues that house these players, and the communities within which they play.
The thing is... how different is this for the rest of society?

The obvious answer to this is the wealth and visibility that these players have... but there are broader issues that should be explored - that need to be reviewed, such as attitudes, education, and even legislative reform. This is something that is a bigger concern than simply athletes, it goes further into society than that.
Guns, and gun violence. And a society that's become largely enured to it.
In all honesty, it's not guns per se. Guns aren't bad. They're not good either. They're inanimate.
It's the user that puts their own inadequacies behind the gun that's the issue, and the ease with which he can do so within the United States.

The reality is this: there are three ways to actively control guns.  One is through education, Switzerland is a perfect example of this, or through legislation (Australia has some of the toughest gun laws in the world), or a change in attitude (Japanese laws are strict, but poorly enforced. The main reason guns aren't prevalent in Japan is a general abhorrence of firearms).
Realistically, legislation is the US's most reasonable method. Or at least legislating to enforce better gun control.
I'm not advocating taking away the right to bear arms - that's never going to happen in America - but amending the laws controlling gun ownership so that a greater degree of education on the subject is necessary before you can take ownership.

Gun violence will only stop when people are educated, or attitudes change. It's unlikely that neither gun education nor attitudes towards guns will change in the US without legislation.

Australia. On the 28th of April, 1996, Martin Bryant went into the Port Arthur tourist area, and killed 35 people and wounded 21 others in a shooting spree. It was an event that nigh on devastated the entire country, and shocked the nation into changing gun laws, enforcing education (for would-be owners) and really affected societal attitudes surrounding guns.
I hope and pray that it doesn't take something of a similar magnitude as Port Arthur, and by 'similar magnitude' I mean of a significant enough scale that America expresses a desire to change prompted by a tragedy of a truly monumental scale.

The question is can the US begin to recognise the problems that are inherent in the Second Amendment as it currently stands?  The men who wrote it understood that it was legislation that was appropriate for the time, and that what was true of their times was not a universal truth.
In discussion with a friend of mine, we agreed on the following:
It is important to recognize that no changes to the Bill of Rights need to actually occur.
What has to happen is:
1 - State Laws have to be passed restricting the sale of certain types of weapons, all guns not recognized by the Federal Game and Wildlife Commission as legal to use in hunting sports (this protects, most types of rifles and shotguns).
2 - Those laws must be challenged and carried all the way to the US Supreme Court where the 2nd Amendment is then interpreted historically instead of literally. The framers of the Constitution did not intend that Americans have the right to bear nuclear weapons as they serve no beneficial purpose in greater society.
Likewise, the framers did not intend American citizens to be able to own assault rifles and/or handguns.

The key here is interpretation of the law... it all hangs there. It isn't necessary to change the 2nd amendment itself, just change how it is interpreted.

The 2nd Amendment asserts the right of the citizen to bear arms.  But with every "right", there's an implied responsibility too.


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written by Braddo, January 14, 2010
Another well written piece - keep it up Don
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Thanks Braddo...
written by Don (With Malice...), January 14, 2010
Cheers. It's a topic of discussion that really deserves more light.
Problem is, those that it most impacts don't really want to discuss it. Or that's the way it seems sometimes.
brumbygg
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written by brumbygg, January 14, 2010
Great post, mate.....
College Wolf
Echo the above...
written by College Wolf, January 14, 2010
Great post Don!
jbus
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written by jbus, January 14, 2010
nice article Don - although i'd generally agree with you on the "interpretation" aspect of the 2nd amendment, i think that opens another can of worms in the States. as you may be aware, there is an ongoing debate as to whether the Constitution (and its amendments) should be dynamic and thus open to interpretation based on societal changes (... See Moregenerally associated with liberals) or static in that changes to the literal meaning should be carried out only through amendment (generally associate with conservatives). though both political sides are likely to adopt whichever method of construction suits their issue du jour...

and, due to the fact that the reason the right to bear arms was included in the bill of rights is presumably more about the opportunity to resist oppressive governments than anything else (like hunting), i'd have to say that it is one of the strongest cases for a "living" consitution. i mean, unless we really want to allow people to have tanks, missle launchers, fighter jets, etc., could a revolutionary militia really resist the U.S. Gov't forces?
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written by smashedmirror704, January 14, 2010
I agree Malice that the problem is most easily dealt with at a legislative level. Despite the Supreme Court's reluctance to touch the Second Amendment, I think a better way of regulating firearm use is to allow free and easy access to guns, but to highly regulate access to ammunition. It's not a perfect solution but if laws regarding obtaining ammunition illegally were appropriately strict and enforced then it would be a way around the domination that the right has on the right to bear arms. Of course this would do little to change the culture of gun ownership, but it's a more practical solution than many which are often mentioned in discussion of the issue.
with-malice
There we go...
written by with-malice, January 14, 2010
Some discussion!

jbus - I love the idea of a "living constitution"... something that grows and changes to suit the needs of the people of it's day. Reality: surely that was intended when it was written, as the ability to change it was inclusive to it's creation. The Founding Fathers realised that their truths would not be truths for all ages... it's only been with the passage of time that they've become nigh on immutable...

- smashedmirror: that is a fantastic idea... control of ammunition! However, I think that it would meet with the same pitfalls that changing licensing laws would face. It's all gotta start somewhere tho'.
Big tobacco anyone?
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written by chazfu, January 14, 2010
The need is not only the way guns are bought and sold in the U.S., but also in the way they are perceived here. Movies and video games have made guns "cool" and "sexy".
Too many people who pick up a gun get images of Scarface and Rambo in their head and the reality of what a gun can do in such hands doesn't sink in til its too late.
I would love to see a grassroots movement to better educate people on the reality and dangers of gun ownership, but given the general fascination with escapist fantasy and aversion to personal responsibility, I wonder what it will take to make that happen.
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Accurate Facts
written by bubba8, January 15, 2010
In response to the statement

"Likewise, the framers did not intend American citizens to be able to own assault rifles and/or handguns."

That could not be more incorrect. The framers themselves owned firearms that were equal to or superior to the firearms used by the British, which was the world's best army at the time of the American Revolution. Now I could talk about rifled bores vs. smooth bores as relates to their accuracy and range, but by the author making that statement he shows a complete lack of historical knowledge and engaging in such conversation would be meaningless unless he first did his homework. The most important fact to consider when determining what type of weapons the framers intended for citizens to have is brought to light by examining the Battle of Concord.

Since actually research is beyond some people a simple Google search will return the reasons that the British marched on Concord. Basically, the march was to capture military supplies thought to be stored there by the colonists. Now if the framers felt it prudent to have military supplies then, why would a person assume that those same framers would deny citizens the right to have military supplies today? If you think that our government isn't as evil and sinister as the British crown, there are the families of several thousand people of Japanese ancestry that might disagree with you. Those camps did not have water slides and ice cream snacks.

In response to the statement

"1 - State Laws have to be passed restricting the sale of certain types of weapons, all guns not recognized by the Federal Game and Wildlife Commission as legal to use in hunting sports (this protects most types of rifles and shotguns)."

I cite the 5th amendment. It is not legal in the United States to take away a person's right without due process of law. Due process of law does not extend to politicians voting. Changing the 2nd Amendment requires much more than a majority vote in the state's house and senate. It requires a change to the Constitution itself.

In correlation to the 5th Amendment I cite the 14th Amendment which states in part "..No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

This prevents the individual states from infringing on rights listed in the Constitution. If you are fine with the states taking way those rights then good luck the next time you want to post such an awful article as this because your 1st Amendment rights are just as at risk as your 2nd Amendment rights.

The 2nd Amendment is not about hunting. Democracy is supposed to give power to the people. It is a fragile form of government. Historically (I know I know the author of this article doesn't believe in research) democracy as a form of government is prone to failure. Take the Roman Empire for example. For a more modern example, look at the French Republic. Their revolution for democracy occurred around the same time as the American Revolution. Needless to say it did not work out so well. When a population owns firearms the people have the ability to defend themselves against all threats, domestic and foreign. If you choose to only own hunting rifles and shotguns then that is ok. If you choose to own no firearms then that is ok as well. If you intend to defend yourself successfully against threats from the criminal element of our society, or if you feel that at some point America might have to fight another revolution, then you most certainly need handguns and military grade rifles.

Keep in mind though that in America there has never been the need for civilians to fight in military engagements because Washington was never burned, there was never a second American Revolution, and the Japanese never raised the rising sun on any American flag poles. However if you want some nice property on the ocean in Arizona let me know because I have some condos for sale.

Hopefully this will be the last time that Henry Abbott links to anything this asinine.
with-malice
Ummm... Bubba?
written by with-malice, January 15, 2010
Really? Asinine? Does that word mean what you think it means? I mean... the piece is "doltish"? "Lowbrow"? Wouldn't "lowbrow" be trying to equate free speech as the same thing as owning a gun?

But well done.
I think this is the most rambling, inconsistent and contradictory response I've ever had here. You are to be applauded.
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written by Q, January 16, 2010
Yeah, it's not like there are Amendments to the Constitution that protect both.... wait, you say there are? The 1st and 2nd... I guess that really isn't lowbrow...

But well done "malice", that was probably the most hastily written POS I've read yet in these comments and article, and they've all been pretty bad. And yes, that is probably the "most rambling, inconsistent and contradictory response" you've ever had here. Applause to you.
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written by Q, January 16, 2010
Also, can someone point out where the 2nd Amendment is limited to only hunting? Or where a nuclear weapon would have ever been considered "arms" by out FF?
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written by Q, January 16, 2010
Also malice, it is cute that you attack the post with actual information, yet let the other emotionally-laced tirades preceding it go.
Tesche
Brickwalls
written by Tesche, January 16, 2010
Seriously? Did anyone imply that the founding fathers were seeking to protect hunting with the 2nd amendment? No, hunting firearms appear to be used as an example of weapons/arms that make sense to own and can provide both protection and serve a recreational purpose. They are also represent the types of arms that have the most existing education already surrounding them. It also is a great example of giving ground to some of the most vocal supporters of "gun rights".

How would you not consider nuclear weapons arms?

We have to recognized that the world changed during WWI (The Great War). The types of military strategies that were used prior to that time were rendered completely obsolete by the types of weapons that were created and use for the first time. The world the founding fathers lived in died then.

The founding fathers made specific provisions for arms to be possessed by state militias since they were not in favor of the existence of a standing military force that could be misused by its commander and chief/president/king. Well, we moved past that place fairly quickly when Thomas Jefferson, one of the standing fathers, went to great lengths to form and utilize a standing army without the consent of congress.

All this argument boils down to is whether you support a literal or a historical interpretation of the constitution. Ask yourself the following questions: Do private citizens have the right and need to possess the same military weapons and technology as our government? If not, then you are already restricting the original intent of the 2nd amendment and moving towards the concept of the Constitution as a living document that has had its meaning evolve over time.
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I was agreeing, and then ...
written by Jordi, January 16, 2010
Don
Well written, and I am sure you put a lot of time into this. I was nodding my head in agreement for the first half. We do need much more firearm education. Then my head went from shaking up and down to shaking left to right. The last thing we need is for the US govt to mandate gun rules. However insulting he was, the commentor who said the firepower of the people should be equal to the firearms of the govt is exactly right. The people of the govt are no better than me. Hence they shouldn't be able to tell which rights I need education on. They wouldn't dare say I need to learn how to protest or pray in order to exercise my 1st Amendment right. I wrote a post on my site that gun education programs need to step up and fill this void. Get out there and teach. Be proactive. An uneducated society is a dangerous society.
Tesche
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written by Tesche, January 16, 2010
Will people seek/accept education unless it is mandated? I don't think so, and I don't think Don does either.

And again with the "really?" "The firearms[weapons] of the people should be equal to the firearms of the govt?" Really? I just don't follow that line of reasoning at all. It has been 100 years since that was the status quo. People who argue that point are actually arguing for a lessening of existing restrictions....which they may be doing on purpose. I don't know, that hasn't seemed to be clearly stated if that were the case. If people are arguing for less restrictions on firearms [weapons], I'm flabbergasted and completely against this...
with-malice
COMPLETELY the point...
written by with-malice, January 16, 2010
Tesche is spot-on Jordi (and yes - I did work hard on this. Thanks for recognizing this).
And I get what you're saying about how distasteful it might seem about "forced education"... but doesn't that already occur? Think advent of sexual education...

In a perfect world, either attitudes towards gun violence would improve, or people would educate themselves. Do you really think that will happen? Or it has happened? Because American society has become enured to gun violence. Discussing this with another friend, he stated that he didn't think something the size of Port Arthur would impact the US at all. And it doesn't.
There's a veritable laundry-list of tragic slayings that indeed affect their immediate communities, yet the nation as a whole is unmoved as to attempt to stop them.
And that's tragic.

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written by Braddo, January 16, 2010
I'm sorry, but how anyone can say that the people have a 'right' to bear a similar standard of arms to the military is beyond me. Someone said 'they are no better then me' - you are right, they are no better then you - but they have a job title and a paycheck to suggest that they should be able to carry a superior means of defense to the average Joe.
What are you after here, marshal law??
Too many people abuse the right to possess weapons, hence the tragedies that occur all too often.
Don bought up Australia's Port Arthur massacre. Yes, it affected us over here, big time. Personally, I think it's sad that it would hardly rate a mention if it happened in the States. Very sad.
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written by chazfu, January 16, 2010

Guns have played a large part in U.S history and culture, since the Pilgrims landed here. A larger part than in any other country IMO.

Even into the 1980's you could go to any small to mid-size towns high school in Texas and see trucks in the parking lot with shotugns and rifles mounted on gunracks in the rear window. But it wasn't until recently that things like school shootings made the that unthinkable.

Why?

I don't think it is a new found "love" for firearms and violence, but a loss of respect for firearms and the inherent dangers/responsibilities of owning them. Perhaps even a loss of respect for the value of human lives. And if you look around the world, that isn't just a problem in the U.S.

I find it sad that as the ease of communication has grown, the value of what we communicate has dwindled.
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No way to guns!
written by VEW, January 18, 2010
I am very anti-guns and wouldn't live in the US if you paid me (despite loving American music, literature, cinema, history etc). The whole second amendment thing is nuts and the modern context totally different from the historical one.
I don't think gun advocates will ever have their minds changed and neither will anti-gun people like me.
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Paranoia
written by TBF, January 18, 2010
chazfu had an interesting point in his/her openeing statementwhen saying that "Guns have played a large part in U.S history and culture, since the Pilgrims landed here. A larger part than in any other country IMO."

That cannot be underestimated and neither can the collective unconscious baggage that the USA carries surrounding the issue. Why? Because the Pilgrims, then later the US Government, used these weapons and the second amendment to commit one of the larger collective genocides in human history (along with the British and Spanish, they killed 99% of Americas indigenous population). The second amendment was crucial in attempting to "rationalise" the need to be armed, but in reality this was a pervasive method for a swift ethnic cleansing of the Americas.

Now the issue gets fobbed around as "hunting" or "politicians are no better than me" when historically it was never about that. Problem is the US would have admit to this atrocity to remove the second amendment and that's about as likely as "bubba8" not being a puppet of the NRA.

It's sad for Americans that time after time atrocities happen that should evoke an effort of self-analysis and yet every time the issue is deflected onto race, religion, or another suitable distraction. When will the large white Democratic elephant in the room get noticed? I honestly thought after the V-Tech shootings it'd be then as it involved whites - but America, unlike Australia seems to have gone beyond that as well.

Maybe if it's all whiteys that are killed the second amendment and American history will get examined properly? Probably not though - there are enough minorities to blame it on I'm sure the public will just start a facebook group, then forget as normal.
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Nicely put
written by Don (With Malice...), January 20, 2010
Well done TBF. A well-thought out and reasoned response, not sinking to derogatory commentary nor abusive.
I cannot believe how much rationalization owning a gun requires.

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